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Post by loveforeric on Jan 5, 2004 10:54:27 GMT -5
I am getting frustrated.... Eric is in 3rd grade and I thought he could do it. He just sits in class. He does the work if they sk him many times and stay right by him. He also can pass tests, well the math is a problem. Now he is being bullied because the kids in class think he is "stupid" becuase he sits in class in his own world and takes so much time to d his work... Eric is very smart and creative, but what I am wondering is.... can he be highly intelligent and still have learning dissability that is contributing to his behavior? His teacher says that he thinks that Eric might benefit from a special needs class. Does that classify Eric as "Slow", Though? He isn't slow so I have been unable to get him extra help except for the speech and reading class he has. i I am very confused, all I know is Eric is drowning in school. Any advice would be helpful! I am sorry if my post is confusing? Thank You, Christina  |
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Post by mom2tj on Jan 5, 2004 11:32:34 GMT -5
you just discribed my DS I think most adhder are like that.... I refused DS to be put in any special class because he is not slow I pushed for a IEP and in it I asked for help in class he get extra time to finish work does not get the same work load as others and the most important the teacher has to keep a close eye on him get eye contact as often as possible call out his name when possible tap on the sholder he has prefered sitting close to the teacher DS has two teachers (they alternat days from french to english) they are both very cooperative and are willing to do the extra for him.
if he is bored what good will a special class do? maybe its what is best for your DS but if you ake me make sure before you accept because once in there youll have a hard time getting him out... I speek from experiance my parents let me go when I was in school I never got out....
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Post by Honeysmom on Jan 5, 2004 15:09:36 GMT -5
I don't think that by putting him in a special class that means he is slow. What kind of classes does the teacher think he will benefit from? Maybe the work is the same, but presented in a differnt way. It is possible that he is very intelligent, but traditional ways of teaching do not work form him. Before I made any decisions I would find out exactly how they feel specialized classes would benefit him.
I agree with Mom2tj, you do not want him in a class that does not challenge him or lets him off of the hook. In the long run that will only hurt him. On the other hand, letting him sit in a classroom where is is not doing well and the other kids are teasing him is not good for him either. Meet with his teacher to see what she thinks would help and go from there. It sounds like she communicates well with you so I would take advantage of that and ask all you can. Good luck!!! Becky
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Post by dansmommy on Jan 5, 2004 17:28:42 GMT -5
Maybe if your ds had the testing to determine eligibility for services, it could help sort out what kind of help he needs. Maybe he's gifted and bored! My ds's teacher is very willing to help him stay on track with reminders, and his second grade teacher used some other methods such as a timer to help him stay on task. If no areas of academic weakness were found in the testing maybe you could get a 504 plan which would require the teacher to take the time to redirect him. I would think testing might be worthwhile though. Christie
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Post by loveforeric on Jan 5, 2004 17:37:19 GMT -5
mom2tj and Honeysmom; Hi, just picked Eric up from school and talked to teacher. I must clarify-- His teacher, well he is a nice person and good teacher, but.... He does not like having to help Eric or having to keep check on him. He thinks that is not something done in a regular classroom. Eric has an IEP and it gets followed by the teacher. He is frustrated with eric because he doesn't get his work in on time. Eric has told me that there are times when he wants to ask questions but doesn't want to bother anyone. We are going in for a meeting in March and I am going to get clear and important modifications for Eric that he doesn't have yet. The principal said that when I do that she can monitor the class situation. Thank you for your support and advice. Take care and have a peaceful day.... Christina  |
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Post by Madison on Jan 5, 2004 17:51:28 GMT -5
Hi,
Special Ed these days aren't the same as when we were kids! ALL special needs is under the Special Ed title. I HAD to get it out of my head "Special Ed means SLOW!" That's NOT true and MANY of the students today in class are receiving some kind of Special Ed service. If a child needs speech class it's under S.E. title but that doesn't mean a child is a slow learner just might need help in sounding out words. My oldest was in speech class for 1st and 2nd grade but was EXTREMELY bright and excellent student! Special Ed helps in ALOT of different ways! They will evaluate your child via testings, etc like the ISAT tests and see where they stand. Some children need only a different approach to learning like tests being READ to them so they fully understand the directions and is able to READ all the words. NOT that the test is adjusted for them in any other way. Some just need written down that their child needs to be 'Kep't on track while doing classroom papers/tests/etc.' If that child is like that it needs to be down on paper so each year the teacher will know ahead of time what that child requires. Other students need to go to the Special Ed teacher for a ONE on ONE approach to the SAME material or papers the rest of the class is doing but isn't able to understand it fully on their own or with just the regular instructions the teacher gives the whole class. Then there's other students that are more that slow learners. If their in 3rd grade they might be doing all 3rd grade work with a accessement in READING and doing 1st or 2nd grade reading. It's TAPPERED to their abilitity so their grades WON'T be failing becasue 3rd grade reading or whatever is their stuggling subject is?? This HELPS ALOT because it would be TERRIBLE if a child is able to do 3rd grade work with only a assement in MATH so they are able to go on WITH the class each year instead of being HELD BACK for one subject. My 2nd grade is looking into Special Ed services. I FELT TERRIBLE about it in the beginning. I thought too it mean't "SLOW LEARNER' title for the rest of her life but my boy 4th grade cleared that up for me. He said "Mom, there's at least 5 students ALONE in his class receiving some kind of Special Ed services and nobody thinks a thing different about them!" It's of the normal these days with material being so darn HARD!! Every class is about that way. Hope this helps a little??? Take care...Madison
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Post by AnneM on Jan 6, 2004 12:22:08 GMT -5
It "sounds" like Eric has add i.e. with no "h" ? These children are generally quiet - don't have big behaviour problems - but can be 'dreamy' .... My son sways towards add rather than adhd - he is so-called 'predominantly inattentive'. However "purely inattentive" is even more as described above. (Am I reading this right though? Is Eric non-hyperactive??)
Unfortunately for our non-hyperactive kids they are much more prone to specific learning disabilities... my own son (who is now 15) has always struggled with reading, writing and maths ... BUT his IQ is absolutely fine ... but he has often attended (particularly in elementary school) special needs classes ... this never bothered him in elementary school BUT unfortunately it did bother him in High School ....
So... as others have said NO ... Special Needs does NOT equal SLOW ... and YES it is possible to be intelligent (or highly intelligent) and still have learning difficulties ... but if learning difficulties are present they do need to be addressed....
GOOD LUCK!!
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Post by eaccae on Jan 8, 2004 23:23:57 GMT -5
loveforeric
Two things
Yes - you can be highly intelligent with a LD. They are finding more and more that children with LDs tend to be very bright. DS has an extremely high IQ but has a LD and ADHD.
Also - it all depends on what the special needs class is. DS (3rd grade) is not a math whiz either although this year he is actually holding his own. Anyway - in both 1st and 2nd grade he went to math class - it was bascially a class that met in the mornings and sometimes over lunch to help children who were weak in math. It was never referred to as a special needs class but that is what I think it was. DS had no idea what it was - it was just math class that he went to with some of his peers. This year for he went into the enrichment class for geometry. He had no clue that it was any different than "math class" - he had no idea that he was in the "advanced" class this time. So I guess what I am trying to say (I am rambling, sorry) - basically it all depends on what the class is. Get some more details to make yourself more comfortable.
(But everybody is right - special needs and special ed don't mean what they did when most of us went to school. Almost everyone I know has at least one child that is getting special ed. What we tend to think of as the special ed class is so different (in most places) then when we went to school.)
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Post by swmom on Jan 9, 2004 6:46:09 GMT -5
loveforric - If you haven't already, you need to have him tested. You'd be amazed at what they can tell you about your son, how he learns, any learning disabilities he has and how to help him. I highly recommend this. It's a must.
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