Tired of searching

[rosyred45]

I have searched for the past half hour looking for anything about honey/effects/blah blah blah..... I'm quite frustrated..

I remember about the corn syrup and all that concerning being off the wall, but here is my "dumb" question of the day"

What about honey? Apparently yesterday at Sunday School Mikey was off the wall. ( although it doesn't help any that all of the other kids are too, I hust hear about Mikey because he doesn't know when to quit)

He had pancakes with butter and honey, sausage and milk for breakfast.

I had thought about sugar period as a culprit, but when he is at home, he's ok, a little tryingm but he's always like that. So we do away with refined white sugar and yadda yadda, Molasses and honey take over as sweeteners.

I don't know, I thought I had a grip on it. Is there a law that says I'm not allowed to let my kid step foot outside of the house until he's 18, I know it wouldn't do any good. But at least I wouldn't get looks from people

Kaiti

[gina1kid]

Roseyred45,

I know exactly where you are coming from. I have been there...done that.

My DS has several intolerences to various foods. Instead of honey or syrup for pancakes....I used jelly (pure fruit) and butter instead for my son. He loves it. I am glad too...because I also worry about the amount of sugar inside him.

The honey could be triggering the behavior, but the other foods that might be culprits could be the wheat in the pancakes or the milk. It's really hard to tell, unless you do the food allergy test, by eliminating the food for a couple of days to see if there is a difference in behavior.

My DS goes ballistic when he has chocolate of some sort. He could have a chocolate chip cookies and it sets his behavior off. Also, my DS is allergic to milk. He gets ezema, so he has to have calcium supplements for his bones.

Gina

[rosyred45]

Thanks Gina, We tried the milk before and there was no changes. Since he's on the feingold restrictions for fruit, I ran out of pear butter that he was using. We don't use the grape, strawberry, peach, etc because he gets very itchy and whiney, salicitates is what I am presuming.

I just wasn't sure if there was a connection since it isn't refined sugar. He doesn't have problems on a regular basis with pancakes of any sort,.


But here's another try
Kaiti

[dfp]

I read in the back of this month's Eating Well magazine that honey is a combination of sucrose and fructose and that in many ways, the body sees honey as a refined sweetener. Then they continue to say that it doesn't cause the blood sugar swings that other refined sweetenrs do, so I'm totally confused.

Has Mikey been able to eat pancakes done other ways? And are the pancakes homemade or from a mix (could it be something in the mix?), similar question for the sausage?

My kids weren't able to eat pancakes done *any* way for awhile because it was such a blood sugar spike to have a high glycemic item like pancakes. We adjusted them to have 1/2 whole wheat flour and throw in some protein powder and things are better.

But your mix of pancakes with butter, sausage & milk would be a better blend of protein, so shouldn't set off the blood sugar spike like that.

But perhaps it is the honey. Could you test it in isolation?

Sigh. I know what you mean about keeping them locked up until they're 18. My son is very sensitive to salicylates too & flies into horrible rages. He keeps going to playdates where he gets served apple juice & he comes home and goes bonkers.

It's tough to stay on top of it. I really wish there was an easier way to test for this stuff too.

dfp

[catatonic]

Hey Kaiti,
Not a dumb question about honey at all...and behavioral problems associated with honey are NOT uncommon. The Feingold program classifies honey as a high salicylate and if you're on Stage 1, you may want to avoid it. We find that honey, like the other high salicylates (tomatoes and grapes especially) causes EXTREME hyperness. Doesn't make him oppositional or obnoxious really, just HYPER. (For some people, same problem with molasses.) You might want to test him on honey to be sure, give him a nice big gooey spoonful and see if he goes spastic on you.

BTW, we have discovered the Sunday school is often a disaster for the simple reason that they try to be nice and feed the kids. Challenge Boy eats, starts bouncing off the wall, and we leave with me and the Sunday school teacher about equally determined to KILL HIM!!! No matter how many times I tell him to say "No thank you" there's always something he just can't resist. I wish they'd stop being so darn "nice".

[rosyred45]

The funny thing is, and I can't say funny in a good way, but I really think it was the Sunday School setting. AND I HATE TO SAY THAT.

When I was growing up going to the SAME Sunday School, you didn't DARE act up, let alone a foot up your butt, but you were in GOD"S HOUSE and YOU ACTED LIKE IT. Unfortunatley I wasn't there on Sunday, so I wasn't able to nip it. BUT when I have dropped them off, and stayed until the teacher came, I am the big mean lady that yelled at all of the kids and told them to sit down quietly and wait for the teacher. While we would wait we'd sing and talk and be pleasant. GOD FORBID they actually :osit still.

back to the honey. One of the reasons that we use honey is because of what was said about the blood sugar and swings of behavior. He's usually fine. He had biquick mix, which he's had before and sausage from a local shop, which he also has had before.

All around, I think because I don't let him jump and give him the opporitunity, that has something to do with it, but I might be wrong.

Thanks Kaiti

[catatonic]

Well, Sunday School is not a very good setting for my son either, so I know what you mean. It's partly the teacher not really controlling the kids and partly that they do pretty boring stuff a lot of the time. I've given up on trying to make him go. He just sits in the car after service or plays basketball with some of the big kids.

On the food...we avoid pancake mix and sausage like the plague because they are both usually LOADED with corn syrup. Take a look at your pancake mix box and you'll see...probably it will list corn syrup or corn syrup solids or dextrose or maltodextrin or "malted" something or other. Corn syrup may not be a problem for you, but it is a LIVING NIGHTMARE for us when my son eats any corn syrup at all. He turns into the SPAZ BOY FROM H*LL and we all want to choke him until his eyes bug out.

It's frustrating. If you get rid of sugar because you know it's a problem and subsitute honey as a healthier option and that's a problem too so you think maybe artificial sweeteners only they'll give you brain lesions until your head looks like swiss cheese so you decide to skip the sweets and snack on crackers which just so happen to be chock full of corn syrup....on and on and on. Sometimes it seems like the only thing you can do is live off bugs and grass and whatever small rodents you can hunt down and kill with your bare hands. It's enough to make me want to choke MYSELF until my eyes bug out.

[rosyred45]

We may go for the grazing aspect ;D

Tara asked me a couple of weeks ago if it was ok to eat grass. Mikey said as long as something didn't pee on it, it should be ok, cause it's natural

Anyhow, I turn around while we were palying kickball last week, and there old moo moo eating the grass n left field

Not that I'm ready to give up trying to find things, but this has GOT to be a major pain for you with the corn syrup.. (I just keep pretending I don't see you point out the spazboy thing hoping that I won't be trying that route soon :

Kaiti