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Post by keegansmommy on Jul 12, 2005 21:03:16 GMT -5
I just ordered a book called, "ADHD and autism connection" er, something like that. Can anybody tell me? Oh, by the way, this is my first post here so no kicking the newbie LOL  |
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Post by Linda on Jul 13, 2005 11:27:45 GMT -5
and welcome...I promise no kicking ;D ;D ;D I know there are a few members here that have an ADHD child with autism....I am hoping they see this thread and can help you. I am glad you have decided to join us...we are a very supportive site..so look around,I am sure some of your questions will be answered.
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Post by finnmom on Jul 14, 2005 7:07:12 GMT -5
and a warm welcome....I dont usually kick any newbie´s eather...might scare them out of here8-) About autism connection... I´am no expert but what I think I know  , is that adhd belong´s to the same "neurological desorder-family" as autism and asperger´s, it´s not a milder case of autism but those have some of the same trait´s.....  I hope someone more experienced will help you soon. I´am clad to see you in here, we have grrat member´s in here, look around and ask away when ever you need...we´ll be here
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Post by catseye on Jul 14, 2005 11:10:11 GMT -5
As strange as this may seem, my sd is " Diagnosed" as high functioning autism, and adhd.... The diagnosed is in quotes because that is what the school calls it for their records, the only thing a dr has said is definately ADHHHHHHHHHHD ;D ... So though she is diagnosed with it, I really dont know as much as I SHOULD about it... What I know are the signs that my sd displays that the school used to get the diagnosis for her.... 1. rarely looks in other person's eyes, and will look away quickly 2. hums, rocks 3. prefers to play by herself 4. Does not "get" social ques, cant understand how to read a persons emotions 5 displays incorrect emotions for situation (my sd has laughed when she SHOULD of cried or shown empathy) 6. lack of empathy for others 7. No remorse 8. Unable to stay with a subject (obviously that could be the adhd also) 9. unusual facinations 10. Avoids physical contact As you can see from the list, ALOT of those could be ADHD also... But those were instances they used, when labeling my sd as autistic also... I know the day I observed her playing on the play ground, was quite an eye opener for me... Other kids would attempt to get sd to play or converse with them, sd acted (actually I dont know that it was an "act" ) like she didnt even see or hear them... Sd was definately in her own little "world", off playing by herself, and with wood chips, and rocks... Here was all this playground equipment, all these kids, and sd is playing near the wall of school in wood chips... It was really interesting to see, not that I know what to make of it, but still interesting... ;D Good luck and I hope I helped some... cat
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Post by Linda on Jul 14, 2005 12:42:39 GMT -5
Whewww....from someone who knows...thanks cat  |
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Post by keegansmommy on Jul 16, 2005 15:36:20 GMT -5
Hmmm, that list does sound like ADHD and sounds alot like my DD with ADHD.  I also have a child in my daycare that a doc diagnosed with autism but his mother won't believe the doc so the child goes on being misunderstood. Sad. |
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Post by finnmom on Jul 19, 2005 12:20:35 GMT -5
Thank´s Cat of the very clear list. I think I´ve read somehwere that both adhd and autism can share the same charasteristic´s as listed, but in autism those just are SO CLEAR AND SEVERE and in adhd they can be observed but are not so severe..... About your kid in the daycare keegansmommy; sometime´s the denial is so strong, parent´s can´t see anything wrong in their own kid.....understandable but sad because it usually delays the help for the kid  But we all know that really admitting that something is not so right with your own kid is not easy at all.... |
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Post by catseye on Jul 19, 2005 17:25:22 GMT -5
HEY! We resemble that remark!  Took my sd being "asked" to leave THREE daycares before we decided geee they all might have something there... ;D cat |
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Post by finnmom on Jul 20, 2005 1:19:47 GMT -5
HEY! We resemble that remark! Took my sd being "asked" to leave THREE daycares before we decided geee they all might have something there... ;D cat And I sued my own professionality to let all the mark´s and ´s from other´s get by till I had to face the fackt finally So.... I guess we all have been there  |
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Post by pammar123 on Aug 26, 2005 7:45:42 GMT -5
My son has PDD-NOS. ADHD like behavior is common with it, but our NeuroPsych who spent 10 years at Mayo says it's not true ADHD, just part of autism. I think there are BIG differences between autism and ADHD. For one, autistic kids, even high functioning, aren't social. I took my 12 year old son to a social group for autsitic kids on Sunday and not one kid approached another and they all stayed with parents and siblings. For another, few can be self-sufficient at 18. All the older "grown kids" were under a parent guardianship. They may have IQs of 160, but they don't "get" life. My son is bright, but very much like a naive six year old and will need care all his life. In younger kids, higher functioning autism can seem like the kids are just a little different. As they get older, the differences magnify and are obvious. The autistic child often doesn't care, as he lives in the "Here and Now" and is happy as long as he can do his obsessions (very often videogames, cartoons (even if smart and over 18) and computers). They do not have a wide range of interests or the curiousity to explore. They also tend not to care if they are alone. Some high functioining Aspies wish to have friends, but don't know how. They tend to speak in one way monologues, about their obsessions, and be unable to read that others are bored or frustrated with them. Social skills training can help some autistic kids. My own kid has gotten better this way, but still tends to speak in long monologues. The kids do not learn by mimicking other kids. They don't tend to watch other kids. They learn social skills best by text book learning and a mentor/teacher to explain things to them in rote. They understand rote more than abstract thinking. In fact, I'm not convinced many understand abstract concepts at all. My son is very literal. If you say "the grass is greener on the other side" he'll say, "No, our grass is the same color!" A NeuroPsych can tell you more. This disorder really doesn't seem to have much to do with ADHD. I wish that's all we had! Some big red flags for autism, that isn't Aspergers, are talking delays, potty delays, poor to moderately poor eye contact, not liking to be cuddled, covering ears with loud noises, and severe anxiety, especially in new places and in crowds. Not any one autistic kid will display all the symptoms. My son, for example, can handle crowds well and tends to be able to "go into his shell" if the stimuli becomes overwhelming. However, he'd rather stay in the house. Here are a few good links that cover neurological problems. www.pediatricneurology.com/www.childbrain.com/pddassess.html |
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Post by AnneM on Sept 1, 2005 16:17:39 GMT -5
pammar123 ... and WElCOME..... !! This is incredibly helpful and informative .. THANKYOU very very much for sharing that information here ... I hope we will see much more of you!! ... |
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Post by momofautistic on Oct 1, 2005 12:51:24 GMT -5
pammar , you seemed to of hit the nail on the head. I doubt anyone needs to read further with the detailed info you have shared.
My son Jimmy (autistic) share's all of the symptoms cats daughter has plus a few others however # 8 unable to stay with a subject just depends because as long as your not trying to teach him something in verbal directions but instead just doing it for yourself such as work on a car or fix something he will stay very focused on subject to its every detail and without asking any questions or for any assistance he will attempt it himself. Infact he is very resistant to having help doing anything even though he gets livid when he cant do it on his own. Another very good point you made was about them taking things literally. So many people do not understand that the really need to stop and think about what they just said and what its meaning if you take it literally. example- a classroom of autistic kids go to a school assembly and their teacher instructs them" to be very very quite , dont even breathe" then when one child gets home from school the mother can tell the child is upset and starts asking child why? the child eventually explains she is upset with her teacher for telling them not to breathe and said why did she tells us that she know we cant hold our breath that long?
rarely looks in other person's eyes, and will look away quickly
2. hums, rocks
3. prefers to play by herself
4. Does not "get" social ques, cant understand how to read a persons emotions
5 displays incorrect emotions for situation (my sd has laughed when she SHOULD of cried or shown empathy)
6. lack of empathy for others
7. No remorse
8. Unable to stay with a subject (obviously that could be the adhd also)
9. unusual facinations
10. Avoids physical contact
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Post by jenninae on Oct 2, 2005 16:05:11 GMT -5
There are some psychologists who believe that autism and ADD are closely related. I believe the links lie in how sensory information is processed. With both disorders, the child (or adult) has difficulty processing input sigularly. (For example all the sounds in the room are at the same volume. So, the humming of the air conditioner is just as loud as the person sitting next to you talking) With autism, the child draws within himself/ herself and essentially "ignores" all sensory imput. (Hence the self stimulation ie rocking, because they are "ignoring" ouside stimulation). The ADD child's brain attempts to process all the stimulation and thus jumps from subject to subject. Hence the distractability. I'm not sure any of this has been proven, but alot of the alternitive treatments used with autism (ie sour and crunch foods used to help improve concentration, and firm touch vs light touch) also work well with ADD kids.
Sorry I don't have links to any of the articles, they are just things I have read over the years.
As many similarities exist, there are just as many differences.
Does that help at all?
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