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Post by Brenda on May 1, 2004 16:08:49 GMT -5
Stephanie was on adderall xr last year for a couple of months.Several times a day we caught her in her room lying on her stomach on her bed with her hand between her legs moving up and down.My husband spanked her hard for doing it everytime but she couldn't stop.I started thinking it was a side effect of the med so I asked her dr and he assured me that it wasn't.He is the medical director of behavior pediatrics in our area.He is a member of the American Academy of Pediatrics,teaches residents,and has written a book.He kept telling me that she was doing it because it felt good.We had to stop adderall because she started pulling her hair out and made a bald spot.She has been on Strattera for a couple of months and has not done it since stopping adderall.Last week I called her dr because she has been getting in a little trouble at school and he prescribed adderall xr again.Today was her first day on it and I caught her in her room humping her hands again.I know it is from the adderall.
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Post by shelli on May 1, 2004 16:48:33 GMT -5
Brenda, A lot of little girls do this. I am not saying it is not related to the Adderall, but this is not uncommon. We have mom's ask about it in the Dr.'s office I work in.
Maybe it is a stress relief for her. Maybe the Adderall makes her feel nervous. Everybody has their views and own opinions on this, but we reccomend in the office not to make them feel like they are bad for doing this and to just express this is a private thing and should only be done in private. Punishment for this can lead to problems when they are older and in an appropriate relationship. They usually will stop on their own. Unless she is showing sexual disturbances or preoccupations with sex or sex relateds things, I would not worry about it. But everyone has their own opinions on this subject and it really boils down to what your feelings and beliefs are reguarding this issue. I hope I did not offend you, I did not mean to if I did.
Shelli
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Post by Brenda on May 1, 2004 17:09:07 GMT -5
No Shelli,you did not offend me.I am thinking that this is a tic.She had other tics when she was on stimulants(blinking,shrugging,head jerks,mouth tics,etc).I just feel like it is from the adderall because she has not done it since we stopped until today.I think it makes her nervous and that is why she does it.She is also doing the other tics so I am going to stop the adderall and go back to strattera.Strattera does not help her attention as much as the stimulants,but it helps the other symptoms.She even had tics when we tried adding the smallest dose of focalin with the strattera.Strattera is better than watching her do all these weird things.Thanks
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Post by geewiznit on May 4, 2004 0:06:11 GMT -5
Brenda, in the interests of your child, I'm going to speak my mind, even if it does offend you or anyone else here! It is simply abusive of your husband to spank your daughter for masturbating (and let's use the proper terminology here). Masturbation is a normal human activity. There is nothing "wrong" about it. Excessive masturbation such as you describe can be due to any number of causes, and may indeed be related to the Adderall, but it is certainly not something that your child should ever be punished for! Your husband should not engage in tis type of abusive activity, nor should you stand by and permit him to do it. Your poor daughter has enough to cope with, without being physically hurt for something that is innocent and apparently beyond her control. All you are teaching her is that normal sexual feelngs are bad and lead to punishment.
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Post by catseye on May 4, 2004 11:24:57 GMT -5
While I agree with some of what geewiznit said, I understand the shock your husband was probably under at the time, and your post led me to believe spanking only happened once even though she was caught several times... A child that young, I dont know it just would of been a huge shock to me... We have to remember these kids are growing up fast now adays... Brenda is your daughter in therapy at all? It does seem that maybe the adderall is the cause, but I would consider maybe haveing your daughter checked out by a dr, just to be certain something else isnt going on... I am not intending to scare you, but I just think you may want to have it checked... Its an awful world out there compared to the one we were raised in... I have never heard of masturbation being a side effect, but of course every child is different... I dont really have any advise, other than therapist, or haveing a talk with your daughter... Now as a moderator- Please remember the issue is NOT spanking, the issue is weather or not it is possible for masturbation to be a side effect in this situation. Spanking is a hot topic, and a personal issue that does not need to be addressed in this post. Before you respond please review the terms and conditions that we all agreed to upon signing up at this site adhdsupport.proboards23.com/index.cgi?action=register. Thank you cat |
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Post by Brenda on May 4, 2004 12:03:40 GMT -5
Thanks Cat.When he realized that spanking was not going to help her he never did it again.He was shocked and didn't know what else to do.I never spank her because I know it's not the answer and especially for an ADHD child because they really can't help all of their behavior.When she was younger I used to spank her for really bad behavior(stomping the cat,biting her brother,going out of the house,etc)and she would hit me back or keep on doing it so I started time outs.My husband was brought up different from me and his dad did spank him.His dad is a preacher and he still believes in spanking.Before Stephanie was diagnosed he would always tell us to leave her with him for one day and he would straighten her out.Now he understands because I have been "teaching" him about ADHD.I did asked her dr about it last year and he checked her out.I didn't think about it being a side effect from adderall but now that we just started it back and I caught her doing it the first day, I'm sure it is.I having been doing some research about Tourette's and touching your private parts is a tic.I cut her dosage in half and it's stopped now.Her ADHD is not under control so I'm going to try combining it with Strattera since she has already been on Strattera for 8 weeks and it does control the Hypeness.
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Post by finnmom on May 4, 2004 13:52:49 GMT -5
Brenda As said before in here, this kind a behaviour is quite common with kid´s. some say that all kid´s do that, some just more than other´s, it´s totally normal and should be handled by letting child know to do it privately. After that, even though I dont think it could be considered as an side effect, I think that addrall might "support" this behaviour, I mean that mayby adderal make´s her feel the way this behaviour come´s more needed  I dont know, I´am no doctor, just my opinion. I just wanted to say that dont worry about this too much, it´s a phase and it will past, mayby not as soon as you might want to, but it will  Marja |
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Post by geewiznit on May 5, 2004 2:16:56 GMT -5
Catseye, first of all, I looked at the board's terms and conditions again, and I don't see anything in my post that violated them. Second, I realize that spanking is a controversial issue, and I was in no way commenting on spanking as a punishment per se. I was commenting on the cruelty inherent in severely punishing a child for engaging in normal sexual behavior that is beyond her control. Note that Brenda's first post said: "My husband spanked her hard for doing it everytime." And in that post Brenda didn't comment negatively on her husband's actions, which suggests she was comfortable with them (though I'm happy to see that her subsequent post suggested otherwise). So, the post described multiple and serious punishments for masturbation as if this was a reasonable practice, and that is what I reacted to. I would hope that children come first on this board and that participants will come to their defense promptly and firmly whenever necessary, even if it might seem a bit "off-topic" to some.
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Post by jdmom on May 5, 2004 10:34:37 GMT -5
geewiznet -
I think what Cat was trying to point out was that these boards are for the purpose of support. If you don't agree with someone's tactics, there is a much more polite way of getting your point across. If you feel that strongly about your opinion, it is best to handle it tactfully. Then your point may be taken more seriously.
The nature of your post seemed more of an attack instead of support, so basically wasn't taken seriously. I'm sure you've heard the term "in one ear, out the other".
Everyone understands that you felt strongly about the topic, and that's why you reacted the way you did. But if you really wanted Brenda to see things your way, a gentler tone would have been much more effective.
We all need to remember that we're a family here, and just like with "real" family (for lack of a better word), we are going to have disagreements on certain issues. But just because we disagree doesn't mean we need to criticize. Name calling and labelling are not condusive to helping.
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Post by Brenda on May 5, 2004 10:45:20 GMT -5
Very well said jdmom.I was just wanting to know if it could be a side effect.I think spanking is a personal issue and I know people have different beliefs about it.I would never "abuse" my children or allow their father to.
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Post by jdmom on May 5, 2004 11:21:03 GMT -5
Brenda - I haven't replied to the topic of your post because I'm not sure what I would do in your situation? I do believe that it is possible that your daughter's feelings could be a side effect of the med. Embarrassing as it is to admit, there are certain medications that make me feel more, ummmm, ?amorous?.  Just like there are certain medications that effect adults' sex drives negatively. I see no reason that this could not be the same in children. That young children (especially your own) have sexual feelings is not something that is pleasant to think about, but of couse, is natural. Now the fact that the medication seems to be magnifying those feelings is something that I woud worry about. I would worry that if she continues the medication into her teenage years, it might cause her to be more likely to explore those feelings at too young of an age. Even if your doctor disagrees that what your daughter is experiencing is not a side effect of the med, you may want to try another med just to see if it changes things. |
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Post by Honeysmom on May 5, 2004 23:27:51 GMT -5
Brenda, Since Adderall XR is a stimulant it can have an effect on emotions and since masturbating can have a calming effect maybe that is why she is doing it. It would make sense so me, but I have no medical back-up on this, just my own theory. I take Adderall (regular) myself and I have not noticed it to effect me in this way, but everyone is different. As far as being concerned about her masturbating, I would not put too much worry into it. I agree with everyone else, it is fairly normal for almost all kids. I read a report that said that kids as young as nine months of age can position themselves in their diapers so that it feels better than sitting other ways. I think it is just natural. My DD will be 3 in about 3 weeks and we are going through this with her right now. She just discovered it one day, and obviously likes it, and now she wants to do it. I also am worried about tying negative feelings to sexuality so we have a firm policy in our house that we have used with both kids and it seems to work well. We have a list of what we call bedroom and bathroom behaviors. We have always told the kids that touching themselves is fine as long as they are in the privacy of their bedrooms. Picking their nose is fine (although I still think it is a little gross) as long as they are in the bathroom and wash their hands afterwards. There are others, but those are the main two. If they start to do one of these things with others around, or in the incorrect room all it takes is a reminder and they either stop or go to the approiate room. Maybe part of the reason your DH reacted negativly towrds the situation is b/c he was possibly embaressed. It would be an uncomfortable situation to walk in on, and he really can't be blamed for that. We are not all perfect, and I am sure he was trying to do what he thought was best. Sorry I got so long winded I didn't realize I had so much to say!! Becky |
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